Heidi Custers, Strategy and Transformation Director at Backbase, sits down with Wessel Oosthuizen, co-lead of the AWS AI and Data team for Deloitte Africa, to work through why bank AI programs stall, and what it actually takes to fix them.

Their starting point is a Deloitte statistic from a recent report that frames the whole conversation: 84% of companies haven't redesigned a single job around AI. Wessel argues that banks are making real technology investments while leaving their people and operating models exactly where they found them. As a result, the tech moves, but the organization doesn't.

Heidi pushes on the practical reality for regulated institutions - how to move fast without gutting compliance, why standalone AI pilots rarely stick, and how a front-to-back wedge approach lets business unit leaders reimagine their own processes without waiting for a top-down mandate.

They also get into wealth management, regional AI maturity, and the limits of Western-trained models, arguing that the real constraint on AI in banking isn't the technology; it's whether the people, the processes, and the data behind it were built for the world the bank operates in today.

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